Showing posts with label Essex Regiment. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Essex Regiment. Show all posts

Saturday, 31 January 2015

Christopher Eric Pleydell Wilton - Essex Regt and Indian Army

 
I met and interviewed Christopher Wilton in Great Dunmow, Essex in April 1984. He was born on the Isle of Wight on the 12th December 1897 and enlisted, aged 18, in May 1916. This is what he told me. My comments in square brackets.


"I joined the Gloucesters because my parents, on the male side, came from Gloucester and we can trace the family back to 1310.

"My first experience as a rookie in the 3rd Gloucesters was having to peel a whole bag of potatoes and then the next day to cut up a whole bag of onions and to be yelled at by the local sergeant in charge of recruits. After that I was sent with a platoon that had about two weeks training, to Seaford where we were encamped. There I had my first experience of life in a hut with a sergeant who was very fond of showing how great he was. And it’s very interesting at this point, because many may not believe this, that I used to hear some of the older men say, “You wait till you get out to France my laddie, you’ll have one in your back.” And I understand that this quite often did happen.

"At college I had been in the Officers’ Training Corps so at least I did know something about squad drill and how to shoulder arms etc. Consequently there were a number of privates who had similar experience and we and they were selected for special training in the evening. Eventually I was sent to Keble College, Oxford to train as an officer cadet and we lived there just like the university students, of which there were a number still in college. I’ve no idea why I was chosen for Keble College; presumably because I could manipulate my rifle but maybe – and let’s be quite frank about this – maybe because my father who had been a major in the Isle of Wight Rifles, pulled a few strings. When the war broke out he was transferred to the Essex Regiment as a regular officer.

"Anyway, I passed out. I think there must have been a whole battalion there. There were a thousand of us. I was sent to Colchester where I joined the 3rd Essex, and then went on to Felixstowe. I know my first experience was having to go to the sergeants’ mess to taste the beer. I knew damn well I was looked at by the sergeants in a queer way as much as to say, “what the hell does he know about beer?” and it was quite true, I’d never had beer in my life before.

"Eventually I was posted with a draft to France. Mind you, this was after a total of nine months’ training in the army. We went to Boulogne and from there my first experience of French railway trucks was “Chevaux 8, Hommes 40”. We were sent up the line to a place called Mazingarbe and went straight into the trenches as far as I can remember. If you want to know where Mazingarbe is it’s near La Bassee and Bethune which is in Flanders, the west of the line. I remember walking from Mazingarbe to Bethune and literally not meeting a soul. I was allowed a day off to go and have a bath and I went to Bethune where there was a place which was an officers’ rest house and you could have a hot bath. I remember sort of living in that hot bath for two hours.

"Now I want to get away from the idea that life was awful. It wasn’t. As a youngster of eighteen, only recently out of school and some six months’ training as an apprentice in the Coventry Ordnance Works, I felt thrilled. This was a completely new life and I’ve often wondered what would have happened to me if there’d been no war and I’d just carried on with my apprenticeship. I don’t think I’d have made a very good engineer. Yes, down in the trenches life was not all that pleasant. Nevertheless, there was a certain air of expectancy.

"What I hated most was claustrophobia when living down in dug-outs. I was always scared that a bomb would drop in front of the dug-out and bury me alive. Now this nearly happened once in the trenches. I was a second lieutenant and was walking along with another officer and there was a blast. He had his head blown off and I was partially buried in a mound of dust and earth. But I recovered out of that.

"Of course one was scared, but not to the extent you might imagine. The one thing I was really scared of was the midnight patrol in between the lines in No-Man’s land. Everything’s dead quiet and you suddenly find this verey light which comes right over you and you’re all exposed unless you’re down in a shell-hole.  Those were my worst moments: going out on patrol at night time between our front line and the German front line and just getting into a shell-hole, trying to listen and see if there was anyone about. That was terrible. Living day in and day out, sometimes for about ten days before one took one’s boots off, and as a consequence of that, and later on wearing puttees, I have had osteo arthritis. It was all mud, thick mud.

"After I don’t know how many months I was eventually invalided out from the front line. It was called PUO: Pyrexia of Unknown Origin. What I was I still don’t know today, but I had to go down to Etaples where the hospital was situated and then I was returned to England to an officers’ hospital in Wimbledon. All of them had this PUO which was a temperature which would not come down, and aches and pains all over the body. Anyway, I was sent on a month’s holiday and then I returned to the Essex Regiment at Felixstowe and was sent out with a whole platoon to Palestine.

[Palestine account not transcribed here]

"Whilst I was in the trenches in France a brochure came round saying, “Why not join the Indian Army?” It showed animals and tigers and all sorts of things and seemed awfully pleasant. I thought, well anything rather than this, and I put my name down and then forgot all about it. Then, all of a sudden, one day in March, the adjutant called out, “Wilton, you’re due in Suez tomorrow. Get cracking, you’re joining the Indian Army.” In those days we were running a kind of night express to Port Said and on to Suez and so I went and joined the boat from there.

"In France, on our right, was the Loos offensive. We had the Portuguese on our right and they suddenly disappeared. All I can remember of that is one mad rattle which never seemed to stop; machine guns and heavy artillery fire. It went on, as far as I can remember, for about three days. This is only hearsay but I’m told the Portuguese disappeared; they retreated. You can find that out from the archives, it’s well known. [This cannot have been the Battle of Loos as this took place in September 1915 and Christopher Wilton did not arrive overseas until April 1917.]

"I don’t think I was ever in a line that went right over the top and into the German line. I think at that time the sector was fairly quiet. We used to watch our planes go over quite a lot. In those days they were small bi-planes with an open cockpit.

"There was no boredom in the trenches. Nobody could be bored, there was too much going on all the time. It was very much a war of attrition. You had to go round inspecting and talking to the fellows. You see, we were always on the qui vivre. After all, you only had to show your head just a bit over the trenches and you’d probably get shot straight away.

"... the war made a man of me. I think it did a lot of good to us."

"Our trenches were quite good compared to some I’ve seen. Obviously if you were there you were continually keeping the trenches in good form, especially your places of look-out. The people who suffered the most were the married men who had wives and children, but for young fellas like me it was an experience. Quite frankly the war made a man of me. I think it did a lot of good to us to tell you the honest truth because we suddenly realised we were all the same. If that shell had your name on it, you’d had it, and that shell could also Tom, Dick and Harry next door.

"We were on parade in India on Armistice Day and General Rawlinson was inspecting us. Being adjutant I had a horse and I was in front. He came to me and said, “Well, Wilton, how did you get into the Indian Army?” I replied, “through the back door sir.” You see, unless you’d been to Sandhurst you weren’t considered fit for the Indian Army and that’s when things changed in the India Army. New gentlemen came out."

Christopher Wilton remained in the Indian Army at least until 1923 and possibly a good deal later. He married Marion Cooper in Bengal on the 8th April 1922. Christopher Wilton died in September 1984, just five months after I had recorded his First World War testimony.


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Wednesday, 9 March 2011

A/200935 Pte Arthur Gilbert Sewell, 21st KRRC


I interviewed Arthur Sewell at his home in Galleywood, Essex in December 1982 when he was 91 years old. He was born in Galleywood on 12th May 1891 and was working as a storeman for Baddow Brewery when he attested under the Derby Scheme in December 1915. He was then aged 24 years and seven months and was called up on the 8th February 1916, joining the 3/6th Essex Regiment. He was given the number 5962. He was later transferred to the regular 2nd Battalion of the Essex Regiment and given a new number, 40474.

"We were moved from Chelmsford to Warley and then to East Ham where we were billeted in private houses. Then we were transferred to Wendover in Buckinghamshire where I completed most of my training. We arrived in France in mid 1916 and were training at Etaples for a short time before being moved up to the Somme.

"The trenches were awful, there's no getting away from it. You were up to your knees in mud and once it got under your skin it was weeks before it would come out again.

"You'd have a dug-out with old iron and bits and pieces and you'd go in there providing there hadn't been a gas attack. Our cookers used to get shelled and bust up and many a time we had to make do on cheese and bully beef. I remember one day we had a hard biscuit and a raw kipper.

"We'd go over the top having shelled their trenches and they wouldn't be there because they'd retreated. Then they'd shell us and even if we got back safely we'd hear the wounded out there and some of us would have to volunteer to go back through the barbed wire and get them.

"We'd have to go out on listening duty and it was the daftest thing. You could hear the Germans laughing and singing but we couldn't report what we heard because we couldn't speak German.

"In the trenches we'd do two hours on the fire-step, four in the trench and then rest. One occasion when it was bitterly cold and snowing I covered myself with blankets which froze solid on me. You can't really explain to anyone what it was like, you had to be there."

Fortunately, as I discovered this evening on Ancestry, water-damaged papers from Arthur's service record survive in WO 363. He was posted to the 3rd Essex Regiment on the 28th September 1916 and posted immediately to the 2nd Battalion on the same day. On the 11th September 1916 he was transferred to the 21st King's Royal Rifle Corps and given the number A/200935. Arthur recalled this number when I met him and also recalled his original attestation date as 15th December 1915 although his papers show that he actually attested four days earlier than this.


On 1st April 1917, Arthur Sewell was wounded. He recalled, "We were repairing a little opening in the parapet and although we didn't take much notice of it at the time, there was a sniper opposite it. On the occasion that I happened to be leading, he fired and I got a bullet which went through my chest and down into my arm, wrecking my nervous system. I was very lucky not to lose my life. The buckle on my braces directed the trajectory of the bullet and if it had gone the other way it would have been in my heart. They carted me off to a Canadian hospital at Boulogne and I was in there a month before being taken to Blighty. They said that I'd be near home in London but I found myself in Scotland where I stayed for nine months until I had my operation. I left there on Christmas Eve 1917 and was then transferred to Chelmsford hospital. I had electric treatment for four years and was finally pensioned off in 1921 after I had my final exam at Chelsea."

Arthur's service record confirms that he was admitted to Edinburgh War Hospital on the 26th April 1917 and that he was discharged on the 6th December that year, his home address given as Lower Green, Galleywood, Chelmsford. He was discharged from the army on the 27th December 1917 and was awarded a pension of 27 shillings and sixpence, reduced to 22 shillings after four weeks.

During my short time with Arthur Sewell, the only time I met him, he mentioned, "my mother received a letter saying that I'd been wounded and then another to say my brother had been killed."

Searches on Find My Past reveal that his brother was William (or Willie) Sewell who was killed in action on the 19th May 1917 whilst serving with the 2nd Battalion of the South Wales Borderers. Like Arthur who was one year older, Willie had previously served with the Essex Regiment. His Essex Regiment number - 33190 - suggests that he probably joined up a little earlier than Arthur. William Sewell has no known grave and is commemorated on Bay 6 of the Arras Memorial. The Commonwealth War Graves Commission notes that he was 24 years old and was the son of Arthur Peter and Lilian Sewell of Lower Green, Galleywood, Chelmsford, Essex.

Arthur Sewell, who lived in Galleywood all his long life, died the year after I met him. His death was recorded in the December quarter of that year.

Saturday, 18 September 2010

10707 Pte Leonard Baker, 11th Essex Regt

Synopsis
I interviewed Leonard Baker on the 13th July 1987 at Redbond Lodge in Great Dunmow, Essex. He was then 91 years old and in failing health. He was born at Duddenhoe End, Essex in April 1896 and was working as a farm labourer when war was declared. He joined the 2nd Essex Regiment in September 1914, joining up under regular terms of enlistment and as a career soldier rather than for the duration of the war. He was given the number 10707. Leonard was posted to the 11th Battalion soon after joining up and he arrived in France on the 30th August 1915 on the day that the 11th Battalion arrived as a battalion, overseas. The 11th Essex Regiment formed part of the 18th Infantry Brigade in the 6th Division.

Interview

PN:
Your name please.

LB:
Leonard Baker.

PN:
And when were you born?

LB:
I was born at Duddenhoe End, near Elmdon near Saffron Walden.

PN:
What year was that?

LB:
1896. I shall be 92 next April.

PN:
What was your trade before the war?

LB:
Farm labourer.

PN:
When did you join up?

LB:
I joined up, well, I joined up at Cambridge in 1911 but I didn’t pass. I went up to Whitehall, London but I didn’t pass there so I went home again. They took me down into a room and I had to wait there until four o’clock. I had a captain form the Navy and he come to see me and they wanted me to join the Navy [but] I wouldn’t join the Navy because I wanted to go with my mate. However, I got sent home again.

PN:
And that was 1911 you say?

LB:
That was 1911.

PN:
So that was a long while before the war then.

LB:
Oh yes.

PN:
You wanted to join the army because a friend was joining?

LB:
Yes.

PN:
Why were you at Cambridge?

LB:
Well we was out one Sunday night for a walk and two or three of us there said wed go down to Cambridge and try and pass and join the army.

PN:
Why weren’t you accepted for the army?

LB:
I was accepted at Cambridge but I wasn’t accepted up at Whitehall because my little fingers were [deformed]. I was born like that.

PN:
When the First War broke out, you joined up again.

LB:
Yes.

PN:
What year was that?

LB:
I joined up in 1914.

PN:
Where did you go to enlist?

LB:
I was out to France, up in the Ypres front. Nine months I was up at the Ypres front and then I got sent down. I can’t think of the name of the place now. I got sent right down south.

PN:
When you joined up when the war broke out did you join up with the 1st Essex or the 2nd Essex.

LB:
I joined up with the 2nd Essex when the First War broke out .

PN:
What division was that?

LB:
18th Brigade, 6th Division .

PN:
When did you first go out to France?

LB:
I think I went out to France the beginning of 1915.

PN:
Was it all Essex men in the battalion?

LB:
Yes, it was the Essex Regiment.

PN:
Did you join up at Saffron Walden? When the war broke out lots of men volunteered to join the army didn’t they? And you were one of them. Did you go down to the drill hall in Saffron Walden?

LB:
Yes.

PN:
And then you went out to France? Were you there for the Second Battle of Ypres?

LB:
I was there for the First Battle of Ypres.

PN:
In 1914?

LB:
Yes.

PN:
That was Christmas time?

LB:
Yes, I was out in 1914 .

PN:
Do you remember you number still?

LN:
My number? Ten seven oh seven. [10707]

PN:
And were you a private?

LB:
Private.

PN:
Were you wounded out there at all?

LB:
Well I did get hit in the leg with a bit of shrapnel but I never had to stop anywhere like.

PN:
Did you stay out in France and Belgium until the end of the war?

LB:
Yes. I was up the Ypres front over nine months and then they shifted us down south. I was in the 18th Brigade, 6th Division.

PN:
That was all regular soldiers wasn’t it? A regular division.

LB:
Yes.

PN:
So how did you come to be put into that division because you weren’t a regular soldier were you?

LB:
I joined up with the regulars you see. I was in the 2nd Battalion, 2nd Essex.

PN:
After you were refused at Whitehall in 1911 did you try and join up again?

LB:
Well yes. They refused me just because of my little fingers.

PN:
What I’m trying to work out is whether you joined up as a volunteer after the war had broken out or whether you’d already joined up and were called up as a reservist.

LB:
No, I joined up when the war broke out.

PN:
Where did you do your training?

LB:
Some at Brighton and several different places.

PN:
What were the conditions like when you got out there?

LB:
Poor; very bad. I was out on the Ypres front. I was at Ypres for nine months before I got shifted further south.

PN:
How far south? The Somme front or further south than that?

LB:
I was on the Somme front, yes. I can’t think of the names.

PN:
Do you remember playing Crown and Anchor or any of those sort of games?

LB:
Oh yes. I can remember being paid out one Friday and I went playing Crown & Anchor and I lost all my money that day.

PN:
I met a man last week in White Roding, who’s 95 now, and he used to run a Crown & Anchor board and he was quids in. He came out with a lot of money.

LB:
Me and my friend we used to run a Crown and Anchor board.

PN:
Because only three dice won didn’t they, and you’d take the rest of the money.

LB:
That’s it.

PN;
Did you play housey-housey?

LB:
Oh yes.

PN:
Did you come home on leave when you were out there?

LB:
Yes. I used to have leave every year. The first one I think was seven days and the next one was ten days,

PN:
You said you were in the 1st and 3rd Battalions [of the Essex Regiment] as well. Is that right?

LB:
I was in the 1st and the 2nd. I wasn’t in the 1st in the First World War; I was in the 2nd Battalion and the 11th Battalion .

PN:
What division was the 11th Essex in?

LB:
18th Brigade, 6th Division.

PN:
What about the 2nd Essex then?

LB:
I forget now. I liked the 2nd Essex. I was in the 1st Essex as well but that was when I come back and I was in Ireland.

PN:
So you were in the army for quite a while then weren’t you?

LB:
Yes, I done over seven years in the regulars.

PN:
So from 1914 until 1921?

LB:
Yes.

PN:
So you went to Ireland in 1921.

LB:
I had two turns out in Ireland. The first time I was out in Ireland I was up at… the big station in the north of Ireland.

PN:
Do you remember any places in France? Do you remember Albert and the golden virgin?

LB:
Yes, yes I do remember.

PN:
And when you were in the Ypres sector did you go to places like Poperinghe?

LB:
Poperinghe, yes. I know Poperinghe well. I used to come back for a rest at Poperinghe.

PN:
Did you got to Toc H at Poperinghe?

LB:
Toc H. I couldn’t tell you. I know our headquarters was at Ypres.

PN:
What was it like in the trenches.

LB:
To tell you the truth I was very lucky in a way. A captain come around – and this was before we had tin hats – and I should think there were three or four hundred [dead and wounded] soldiers laid in a heap under a tree. He come round and picked out seven of us and he wanted another one so he picked me out. We was to take these wounded – well wounded and dead, there was more dead than wounded – across to a sunken road where the horse ambulances came and picked them up. I was lucky really, in a way, because we were there at five in the morning when the fighting broke out again and we were kept in the road.

PN:
That sounds as though there was a big battle going on at that time.

LB:
Yes there was.

PN:
What was the food like?

LB:
Well, to tell you the truth, me and my mate had a biscuit between us for two days. We had half a biscuit a day. Then one morning they come round and said you’d have to come down the valley, about a mile down the valley, to pick up some rations. They’d got them down the valley and they couldn’t get them up to us like. I know that what they give me was the fore part of a bullock; you know, the front legs and that, and I can remember I hadn’t had grub for two days, just half a biscuit and I ate a big lump of fat out there. Well, to tell you the truth, I don’t know, I thought I was going to snuff it. I did feel bad.

PN:
Did you move down to the Somme front?

LB:
Yes.

PN:
What was it like down there?

LB:
Jolly rough. I can remember help burying some Germans and well, they were some of the biggest blokes I’ve ever seen. German Guards they were, great big fellas.

PN:
Were you at Passchendaele.

LB:
Yes.

PN:
What was it like there?

LB:
Bad there.

PN:
Where do you think conditions were the worst?

LB:
I can’t think of the name of the place we went. I was up at Ypres and Passchendaele and then they shifted our battalion in the 6th Division, right down south.

PN:
When did you transfer to the 11th?

LB:
Well we had to go where they sent you? You never knew where you was going to?

PN:
Do you remember when you transferred to the 11th? Would that be 1916 or 1917?

LB:
Well it’s a job to remember.

PN:
When you joined up in 1914 they didn’t say anything about your fingers then?

LB:
Oh no. They’d take anybody then. They passed you off, no trouble about that.

PN:
Were you a religious man?

LB:
Oh yes, yes.

PN:
Can you remember the names of any of your officers?

LB:
I know we had one officer by the name of Bartlett. I can’t think of the [other] names now.

PN:
Did you enjoy life in the army?

LB:
Oh yes.

PN:
I suppose you must have done because you stayed on after didn’t you?

LB:
Yes.

PN:
You didn’t want to make a career of it though?

LB:
No. I lost my father and mother while I was in the war.

PN:
What was it like coming home on leave. Was it a relief?

LB:
Oh yes. We had leave every year. I had seven days the first time and ten days the next time.

PN:
How did they do it, by alphabetical order?

LB:
Yes. I was usually first because I was B.


[Ends]

Sunday, 20 June 2010

33033 Sgt John Brett, 1st Bn, Essex Regiment


Synopsis

John Brett was born in Southminster, Essex on the 22nd March 1891. I met him at an old people's home in Chelmsford in 1982 and conducted a brief interview with him. I later returned with the then curator of the Chelmsford and Essex Museum - David Jones - who conducted a fuller interview. The transcript below is my edited version of the one that is held by the Essex Regiment Museum in Chelmsford.

At no time during either interview, did John Brett reveal his army number and in all likelihood he had forgotten it. A search through birth and death registers confirms that he had no middle name, and this in turn narrows down the possibilities when it comes to looking at medal index cards. There are two John Bretts with Essex Regiment connections: one of these men also served with the Royal Engineers whilst the second man also served with the Labour Corps. There are two J Bretts but both of these men can be ruled out as their numbers do not fall in the range of numbers issued to Essex Regiment recruits in 1915.

My hunch is that John Brett was 33033 Sergeant John Brett, later 615465 Labour Corps. He says in the interview that he spent three Christmases at home. We know he was at home in 1918 and that he joined up in 1915. I think he attested under the Derby Scheme in November or December 1915 and received his notice to join the Essex Regiment in late 1916. His number, 33033, dates to around November that year. And so he spent Christmas 1915, 1916 and 1918 in England, and Christmas 1917 in France.

I took the photo above of John Brett when I first met him in 1982 and he died in Chelmsford in 1988 aged 97.

Interview

Could you tell me where and when you were born Mr Brett?

Southminster, 1891.

And what did your father do?

He worked with his father on a small farm; sort of labouring or doing anything – thatching or any kind of work with his father.

You presumably went to the village school, did you?

Yes

What was that like?

Alright yes, but I’m afraid I didn’t get on too well with the headmaster. He’d got his favourites. There was a family called Hoad. Their father used to train dogs for Sir Daniel Gooch who lived
In the Highlands and they were favourites of Mr Jonser my schoolmaster. I don’t know why he disliked me because I tried. He’d got his favourites and the Hoad family, there were three boys, they were his favourites.

When did you leave school, how old were you, do you remember?

Fourteen, fourteen years.

And did you go to work with your father then or did you go into another trade?

No, unfortunately my father died when I was only eight – so I don’t know. I forget really what I was doing ‘til the war came.

You would have been what, just over twenty, twenty three when war started?

That’s right, yes.

What was – how did you feel about the war? – You’d obviously seen in the papers about the war – what were your feelings about it? – Did you think it was a right war?

I’m against war myself. I don’t believe in wars. Why should we kill each other. If I were to shoot you Mr Jones, or your comrade, I’d be sent to prison – but when the war comes, they give you a rifle – you can shoot anybody, shoot you enemy. But why? Why can’t we all live happy together?

When did you join up and where did you join up?

1915 at Warley – I went to Warley Barracks – there for a day or two. Then I went to Etaples, in France and done my training there.

I see. When you joined up were you on your own or did you go with some friends?

If I remember, I had notice one morning by letter to attend Warley Barracks. I went by myself.

When you got to Warley do you remember, what was it like, what was your impression of the place? Do you remember anything of the uniform you were given or whatever? Did you have a uniform straight away?

Yes, we were given all our kit at Warley before we went overseas.

What Battalion were you in then?

I wasn’t posted at Warley what Battalion I was going to join – but when I was at Etaples. [It would appear that John Brett when to France as a draft for the Essex Regt, was posted to one of the Infantry Base Depots at Etaples, and then subsequently posted as part of a draft to the 1st Essex Regiment.]

Oh, I see. Were most of the men that joined with you at Warley, were they mostly from Essex?
Oh yes. One fellow from Bradwell–on- Sea, name of Copeland . I remember his name; and a lot of Southminster boys; local lads that I knew, got killed in the war. And you think about them now; all those years have passed, but you still think about them.

Do you remember any of their names?

Yes. Jimmy, Jim Thorogood , Harold Bishop, Mr Coote, seven or eight I remember their names, used to be pally with them before they joined up.

What were the conditions like at Warley? Was it a bit rough and ready?

Well it was new wasn’t it you see. If you hadn’t been a soldier it was all fresh, fresh surroundings. Get up early in the morning and you drill and break for dinner and break for tea, you didn’t get much spare time; not to call your own.You were generally on the go.

Was it generally drilling that you did at Warley?

No, as I said to you just now, I did most of my, of my drilling at Etaples, in France.

How did you get from Warley to Etaples?

By boat from Folkestone.

How did you get to Folkestone though? Did you go by train or did you march it?

We went by train.

Ah yes, and when you got to the other side, to France, what – how did you get to Etaples?

Went with hundreds more, by train. Out there the trains, you could get out of the train and run and catch it up before it got very far. Trains were very slow in France – very slow.

What was the morale of the men like? Were they all, you know, sort of ready to fight do you think?

It’s hard to say, hard to say. Individuals, you don’t know what an individual thinks, do you? I don’t know what you think about now.

So when you got to Etaples then, what happened then? What was the training like?

Oh, that was just hell, the training was terrible. ‘Come here! Come here! Go there! Fall in this lot! Fall in that lot! The sergeants and the instructors were very, very thorough, you know. What was their remark? ‘You won’t be able to play with your Grandmother, you’re here to soldier. Come on here! A lot of red tape. Then we, in the training, we used to, we had this rifle and we had a row of bags stuffed with straw, they represented a German. It was about so far, it was off and the sergeant said ‘Now charge’!. So you stick the bayonet into the bag of straw, pushing it in and out, and off you go again as if to say, ‘Well he’s dead.

So you learnt, did you learn, you learnt obviously, to shoot the rifle? You had practice in that too?

Oh yes, I was a very good marksman with a rifle. Sergeant said ‘You’re good, you’re good’. I used to get a bullseye.

Did you get a marksman’s badge in the end?

I don’t think so.

How long were you at Etaples?

It would take me ‘til tomorrow morning, this time, to tell you all my life of France, out in France.
You would really like to know what? Where I went or……

Well yes. Where did you go when you finished training? What happened then?

I was sent with the draft. I was made a Corporal and I went with seventeen other men and myself made eighteen. We were picked to join 1st Battalion, the Essex Regiment. Well we marched one night, it was dark, like a firework display from the enemy, were shelling and bombing. So we got to this, where the Essex were, they were up in the front line at that time. So we went to that place, had some food and went to bed. We hadn’t been to bed about ten minutes before the Sergeant Major said ‘Where’s that draft that just come in’? Fall in! Fall in! And we had to fall in . Our job was to take petrol, petrol cans full of water, up the line to the Essex Regiment. That night, a lot of firing going on.

What time of year would that have been? Was it summer or winter or what?

That would be about mid summer.

And what happened after that? You got into the line then, obviously?

Yes, we took that water up, the Sergeant major said ‘You don’t know the way Corporal?’ and I said ‘No, we’ve only just arrived’. So he says that another Corporal had just come from the front line and he’ll have to go back again and take you. So he took me and the seventeen men with the cans of water up to the front line where the Essex Battalion was – and they’d suffered a lot of losses the day before.

Do you remember where that was?

Somewhere on the Somme. We went passed Amiens and Abbeville. Went through those villages up to the line, the front line.

And when you got into the line what was the fighting like? What, trenches presumably?

After we took the water we come back and were there at the base several days and then we were ordered up to the front line again and we were going to relieve the Inniskillens and they’d suffered heavy loss. We relieved them and it was a case of getting in a shell hole or anywhere to get a bit of cover. You see – were shelling that particular spot. Well, were there about a week then we were relieved, relieved and the whole of the Essex Battalion came back to -–I can’t remember where it was – and the morning we were relieved we were going to Freshard [?] At a certain place, he had a machine gun on a corner and he knew we’d be returning that way and the order came along ‘Every man for himself’. ‘Down you go’. Went flat down on the ground because he was firing at that particular place and we lost a lot of men through that particular place. So same as you had to turn Corporation Road and turn into Broomfield Road on that corner, well he had the machine gun laid on that corner and you got to pass. You had to go on your hands and knees. Get past it somehow.

Conditions obviously were very bad then. What was the supply situation like? Did you get enough food and so on – water?

It reminded me the other day. We had lovely corned beef here, and chips and peas. Corned beef – I’d never seen so much corned beef wasted. It was piled up, boxes and boxes and boxes, lovely corned beef. That was a sort of home made trench to protect you from the bullets, these lovely, lovely tins of bully beef. They’d cost no end of money now to buy. But we was always glad to get a small loaf. That was perhaps about six men for a small loaf. So you got a little piece of bread, you didn’t get much. Then we always had the hard biscuits. Something like sort of dog biscuits. Hard, hard. But you used to be glad of anything if you were hungry.

Was the food supply better behind the line, when you were relieved? Was that reasonably good?

Oh yes, that was better then.

What, did they have canteens or mobile canteens or something?

Shall I join in? While I was up there I got a septic foot. So the doctor says ‘How long has it been like that?’ I said about six weeks. He says’ Alright’ he says, ‘Get out of it’. So he marked me further down the line, down to base. So there was a lot went down. Some were on stretchers, others were hobbling on one leg, and we went down and we stayed on a camp and during the night I heard a train – engine on a train. Choo-choo-choo-choo. I wished it had of stopped for us. That stopped and somebody shouted ‘Those that can get on the train, go across and get on. ‘Cos there were stretcher cases – they couldn’t go. They had to be took on the stretcher but I – sorry – I’d got the one bad foot but I hobbled on one leg and got on the train. When we all got on I said to the sister, only female we’ve seen for weeks and weeks. I said ‘Where we going?’ She sais ‘You’re going to Le Havre’. So we went to Le Havre, to the Le Havre hospital. I was there three weeks and got this leg, got it healed up. Hot formentations and it got better. After a time I was sent back to Etaples, where I had come from.

What were the hospitals like?

Ah, lovely. They got to heal well, then I was stopped for another week and help with the floors . We used to polish the floors. The hospital’s a lovely place there . Then after three weeks I was sent to a convalescent camp at Le Havre. That was another nice place . Where fellas got fit again after flu and gunshot wounds.

There was presumably no gas at that time ?

No gas, no. Really and truly I could go on telling you but it wouldn’t be interesting. I went back to Etaples so…so when we got back the Sergeant Major says ‘If you’ve got anything to report, report when you see the Medical Officer in the morning. So there was a lot of us – 20 or 30 -went in front of the doctor. He passed some and some he wouldn’t pass. He said ‘ You feeling all right?’ I said ‘Not too good’. The old ticker was not too good. He says ‘Alright you can stop here at Etaples for another week until you get better.

What happened to you after you, you were better again? What happened then?

I went to this convalescent camp and while I was there the Sergeant Major came along and said ‘Brett’ he says ‘I’ve got a job for you’. I said ‘Yes Sir?’ So he says ‘There’s about two or three thousand people want to get across to Blighty, to England – but it was so rough, the weather was so rough. And he said to me he said ‘I want you to go over to that marquee, pick what men you want and make up the bunks and get tea ready for them. But stop here the night’. Because it was so rough for them to come across the water to England. That’s where they were bound for. So prevention was better than cure. So they were there three or four days alright. So I went back again. I was still at Etaples. Sergeant Major said ‘Ah, Brett, I’ve been looking for you.’ He says, ‘Where you been to?’ Well I said ‘ I been here’. So he says ‘I’ve got another job for you’. So I says ‘Right Sir’. So he said ‘Corporal, somebody has done his time in the service’. He was an old soldier and after he’d done his time he would enlist again for the present war’. So he was due to go back to England and he was in charge of one of the dining huts, D Company. There was A,B,C and D – 4 dining huts. So he says ‘I want you to take charge of D Company dining hall. ‘Cos the other Corporal was going home I took his place.

What did that mean for you? What did you have to do?

Order the food or…… Sunday I take two men and go to the cook houses, draw our breakfast, perhaps rashers of bacon, and we used to cut the bread. Get the breakfast all ready, same like dinner, same like tea. I was there six months. I was fortunate.

So that would take you into 1916, wouldn’t it?

Oh yes, well beyond that.

What happened to you after you, after the dining …..?

While I was there I got to know the officer and the colonel.

Who were they? Do you remember?

I don’t know their names now. One was a Scots doctor and the Colonel, I don’t know what he was. They used to come round every Saturday morning inspection. Every man had to be on parade , or he used to come round and inspect the dining hall see if they were all right. The tables had to be scrubbed, soap and water, made look nice, place kept nice. He used to come round. I’ll blow my own trumpet, he said its very clean and neat. So while I was there I got pally with the young lad who worked in the Officers’ quarters, he used to do the Colonel’s cooking. He used to have flowers on the table so when I went they were nearly dead he used to throw away, he used to give them to me . So I used to have flowers ….. on the table. He used to come round and said ‘Very, very nice’

And, to cut a long story short one fella, I’m sorry to say , he got put in the glass house. I felt sorry for him but it was his own fault. See there was six men sit down to a table – 3 each side – had to be. There were six pieces of bread. Well you know what men are, they went for the biggest, biggest piece and there was one small piece left. One fella said ‘I ain’t gonna sit there’ he said ‘and have that lousy bit of bread’. I said ‘You’ll sit there. I tell you to sit there’. ‘I’m not going to sit there’. ‘Alright, I’ll get you another piece of bread’. He sit on another table. So when the officer come round – ‘Orderly Officer, any complaints’? So this fella got up and said ‘Yes Sir’, he said ‘I only had a small piece of bread’. So I explained to the Sergeant Major who was with the officer, I said ‘He refused to obey my instruction.’ I said ‘If he‘d stopped there I’d got another piece of bread’. I said ‘He wouldn’t stop, he sat on the next table what he shouldn’t have done and he got cross’. So the Sergeant Major said ‘Alright’ he said, ‘Fall in two men’. And they took him off and he got three months in the glass house. A silly thing to do , he could have took my advice and sit down at that table. See and he got rude to the Sergeant major, see and the Sergeant Major said ‘Alright, fall in two men’ and marched him off to the guardroom and the last I heard of him he had three months in the glass house. So I felt sorry but there you are. I’m afraid I’m not much help, am I?

Yes you are. What, do you remember what happened next? Where did you go from Etaples? What happened to you after that?

When I went to back to Etaples – before I left that camp – I saw a Scotch doctor and said ‘You ought to rest’ he said ‘You’ve been scrubbing them tables and made your heart bad’. He said ‘There’s thousands of little muscles all round there and you’ve strained them’ he said, ‘You’ve worked them too hard’. So he says ‘I’m going to put you in the rest centre for a fortnight’. So I went in a rest centre. Well the n after that I went back to Etaples. So I saw a Belgian doctor, I think he was. He said ‘ You feel alright?’ I said ‘ Excepting a pain here’. He said ‘ How much do you smoke?’ I said ‘ A packet a day’. He said ‘ You’re a bloody liar’, he says ‘ just look at you hands, you smoke more than your issue’. So to cut a long story short, I went on parade the next morning. I saw this doctor and he said ‘Come to me in a fortnight’s time. Leave off cigarettes, it’ll never get better’.

So I smoked not so much . So I went back again. He wouldn’t pass me. He put me down for the medical travelling board. That was we’ll say eight or nine would be at Chelmsford and we’d have to march say Maldon to Chelmsford for this exam. So there was one poor fella, he had to walk and had an old piece of wood for a walking stick, went in front of me, he could hardly walk. So he went in, so the doctor said ‘ What’s the matter with you? What have you got that stick for? And he kicked the stick away from him and he fell down. I don’t know what happened to him, but he was a sick man. Some used to play on it. See, the doctor didn’t know whether they were genuine cases or not. What you call ‘swinging the lead’. But to cut a long story short, the next morning we went back to the base at Etaples. So the Sergeant major, when we were on parade, so he says ‘ Corporal Brett, George Smith, Tommy brown and George – somebody else – four of us, out of about one hundred men were marked P.B. That was Permanent Base. Then I was transferred to a Prisoner of war Camp, where prisoners came in. I was sent to Abbeville. I was there about a year. I was made up a Sergeant there and the prisoners used to come, thousands used to come some days. Another day there was only a few. So you might as well say I was one of the lucky ones that didn’t see, that wasn’t in the trenches. I was fortunate in that way.

I went to ‘Abbeville’, that was the main cage for the prisoners. They were taken prisoner; the Germans were taken prisoners. We’d dealt with thousands there, and the interpreter was a German. I used to call him ‘Floose’ – Valouse, but I said ‘Floose, I want a thousand men on parade now and they have got to go to Le Havre’. So he used to parade all the men then he would be with me and we would count off a thousand. Then we used to have them at the main gate ready to march off. There was the guard, about twenty men, used to take them to the station to go by train to Le Havre. I must tell you about this ‘Floose’, he was German. ‘One night’, he said ‘ I was on reconnaissance work ‘ he said, ‘And somehow in mistake I got into one of your trenches. Yes’, he said ‘I was very nearly shot’ he says. ‘I got in – where am I? – I must be in the wrong trenches’. So he walked a little further and there was our fella on duty looking across ‘no man’s land’ so he had the presence of mind, he says ‘Wake up! Wake up! He hit him on the back. He says ‘Here comes the officer!’ and he turned round he says, and walked out the same way as I come in. That was his tale. It was true.

You said you were at the prison camp for about a year. Did that take you up to the end of the war?

Yes, yes.

When were you demobbed then?

In Southminster I was the first one to be demobbed.

Really?

Because I was home. I was lucky, I had three Christmas, Christmases at home.

Oh, you’d had leave then, you were able to get home?

Yes, yes. So I was on leave in nineteen hundred and eighteen. I was home….1918 on leave and the Armistice was signed. So the soldiers who were on leave like me, they grumbled, said why should we go back to France, then ship us back there, ship us back when we are already in England. So I used to see the paper and it came out one morning – all men that are home on leave-no need to go back to France.

So you were able to stay there, stay at home then?

At that time I knew a farmer in Kent, so I explained to him. So he said ‘I’ll give you a job’. Said ‘You don’t want to go back do you anymore’? So I said ‘No, I don’t want to go back, I’m already in England. Why go back to France then ship me back again’. See, so it came up in the daily paper, if you’d got a job to go to, report to the Crystal palace. So I borrowed a bicycle and cycled to the Crystal Palace and got me discharge.

One question you asked of me; while I was at the main cage with the prisoners of war the Americans wanted two thousand for Bordeaux. The Americans were putting up big warehouses. They’d come into the war and they wanted these big warehouses made. We’d lend them two thousand prisoners and we went up to Bordeaux. So I got up to Bordeaux and had several months up there. These prisoners, we used to post sentries all round where they were at work. The guard, the British guard, these prisoners would be putting these big warehouses up. The Americans were coming into the war.

Monday, 18 January 2010

31769 Pte Harry Leeks, 9th Essex Regt


Synopsis

I met Harry Leeks in September 1981. He was one of four WW1 veterans living in a retirement complex in Chelmsford. I conducted a brief interview with him at his home and then returned a couple of years later with the then curator of the Essex Regiment Museum - David Jones - who conducted a more detailed tape-recorded interview. I have a transcript of that subsequent interview and the original is with the museum.

This post is a combination of official information taken from Harry's service record in the WO 363 series at the National Archives (and also accessible via Ancestry.co.uk), and Harry's own reminiscences. I have also transcribed a letter from nineteen-year-old Eva Lancaster, written to Harry whilst he was in France in 1917.

Harry Leeks in WO 363

Harry Leeks was the son of Harry and Emma Leeks and was born at Sudbury, Suffolk, on the 18th July 1897. (The year 1887 is incorrectly recorded on some of his papers). He attested with the Essex Regiment on the 17th November 1915 and received an armlet showing that he was a Derby Scheme volunteer. He was then eighteen years and four months old.

The following September, Harry was called up and joined the 3rd Battalion at Warley on the 4th of that month. His papers indicate that he was a boot repairer by trade and living at 16 Park Road, Chelmsford. His next of kin is recorded as his father who was then living at 8 Anchor Street, Chelmsford. This address was later crossed out and a new one - Hope Villas, Rectory Road - written there at in its place. Hope Villas still survive in Chelmsford and in fact, when I interviewed Harry, he was living only a stone's throw away from his old address.

Harry was given the Essex Regiment number 31769 and remained in England until the 7th December 1916, sailing for France the following day as part of a draft for the 9th Battalion. He received a gunshot wound to his back at Arras on the 9th April 1917 but after a short spell at No 3 General Hospital at Le Treport returned for duty with his regiment and re-joined the battalion on the 24th May that year. He appears to have then remained in France until 27th January 1919 when he was demobilised at Purfleet.

Harry's father died whilst his son was overseas, and there is a letter in his file from his mother (dated 26th November 1917) requesting that her son be allowed home on compassionate leave as her husband only had a few hours to live. I can find no evidence in the file - and do not recall Mr Leeks mentioning it when I met him - that he ever saw his father, although it appears that permission was granted.

Harry Leeks in his own words

I joined up at the drill hall in Market Road, Chelmsford and spent three months training at Felixstowe before being sent to France. The trenches there were terrible; mud and sludge. I was lucky that I just missed the Battle of the Somme but we were there for Arras and I saw the Essex Yeomanry get cut up, and it was absolutely wicked to see it. That was the last time they used the cavalry.

We went over the top on Easter Monday, 9th April 1917. One of our shells dropped two or three yards short and killed three or four of our chaps. I was hit in the back by a piece of shrapnel and fell into a shell-hole. As I was laying there, Captain Brown come up and said to me, "Advance this way, you've got the bloody wind-up. I'll count to three and then I'll shoot."

He fired three shots at me and the last one hit my tin helmet and sent it spinning away into no-man's land before he himself suddenly fell wounded. Later on I was picked up by stretcher bearers and taken to a nearby dressing station and it was here that I met my pal Private Roberts. He told me that he'd seen the incident with Captain Brown and that he had shot him. Captain Brown, who was also a Sudbury man like me, survived the war but spent the rest of his life in a wheelchair.

I was taken to a Canadian hospital just behind the lines and they told me that the shrapnel had just missed my spine. I was supposed to go to England but for some reason that never happened.


Letter from Eva Lancaster to Harry Leeks

12 Manor Road
Chelmsford

July 16th 1917

Dear Harry

No doubt you will be very much surprised to hear from me, but I thought I would like to write to you, a few lines, and I hope you will not think I am putting myself forward in writing to you first.

Well in the first place, I hope you are feeling better. I was surprised to hear you had been wounded, but as time goes on let us hope you will regain your full strength. No doubt you were disappointed because you were not brought to England, but before long you may be coming home for good. When do you think that will be? I do not see much signs of the war ending, but very likely it will come when we least expect it. I have heard through your sister, Ethel, that you have a Lancaster in your company. My brother is a sergeant in the Machine Gun Corps so probably he may be attached to your regiment.

Have you seen any Chelmsford fellows since you have been out? It must be rather nice to come across some of those who you know, but it is not very often the case. I suppose you have heard about the air raid here last Saturday week. It is a sight I never want to see again. Of course, when we heard the siren we stopped work, and a few more girls and I rushed out and we counted twenty-three aeroplanes. I was struck, I thought perhaps there would be two or three, and they seemed to be up a fair good height. It seemed so dreadful to think that they come over to kill poor innocent people, and they seem to glide along so stately. I for my part would have liked to see some brought down, but they brought a few down on their way back.

I have a faint recollection that last year you told one your birthday was in July but I forget the date now, but I am taking the opportunity of wishing you a Happy Birthday. I cannot say Happy Returns for I am sure you do not wish that and let us hope that next year you may be spending it in England. Did you know Fred Monk is discharged from the army? He came home last Thursday. He looks so much better than he did. His heart is very weak and yesterday evening during the hymn he had to sit down.

Well I do not think that I have any more to write this time. I should be pleased to hear from you if you would care to write.

Now I must conclude, with kindest regards from

Eva (Lancaster)


Eva Lancaster's MGC brother was killed during the First World War and he has no known grave. Eva and Harry Leeks were married in 1927 and when I took this photograph of them both at their home on the 9th September 1981, they'd been married for 54 years. I saw the couple regularly until the winter of 1984. Eva Leeks died suddenly in December that year, and Harry died less than a month later. May they both rest in peace.

Friday, 16 October 2009

66774 Sgt Alfred Arthur Nixon, Bedfordshire Regiment


Synopsis

My great uncle Alf was my grandfather's youngest brother. He was born on 18th January 1897 and almost as soon as he was able to, he joined the Essex Regiment Territorials. I first met Alfred Nixon at my grandfather's funeral in 1980 but it wasn't until a couple of years later that I got him next to a tape recorder at my parents' house in Essex.

Of all the Nixon brothers - and there were five of them - Alf was in khaki the longest. He joined the 6th Essex Regiment in February 1914 (and was given the army number 1716) and so was only 17 when Britain went to war with Germany. He was probably posted to the 2/6th Essex Regiment when it was formed in November 1914 and he was therefore spared a Gallipoli landing with the 1/6th. In any event, a bicycle accident in England left him in hospital with a smashed kneecap and it wasn't until late in 1916 or early 1917 (judging by his new Essex regiment number 34712) that he was posted either to a service battalion or to the 2nd Battalion.

The photograph above probably dates to 1914. Note the protector over his cap.

Alf's memory is at fault at various points during the interview. Mind you, he was trying to recall events from seventy years before and so he can be forgiven. He was not overseas until 1916 at the earliest. Had he been, he would have had a 1914-15 Star instead of the TF war medal. Also, as I mentioned earlier, the 347** Essex Regiment number was not issued until late 1916 at the earliest. Most of the events Alf recalls below, must have taken place in 1917 and 1918.

Alf Nixon died in June 1990 aged 93. He was the last of the Nixon brothers and I have written about his older brother, John Frederick Nixon on my WW1 Remembrance blog.

Interview
AAN:
Well, as I said to you, I was called up ‘cause I was in the Territorials when I was 17. I had a written notice to join the regiment, the 6th Battalion of the Essex Regiment, and I was paid five pounds in golden sovereigns; they all got that I think, that was blood money. In those days, five sovereigns was a lot of money wasn’t it; it was five weeks’ wages for a workman. Then they put us on a train, crowded of course, the train was crowded with troops; pushed them in, and we went down to Brentwood.

PCN:
Were you living in London at the time?

AAN:
I was living at Leyton. They took us to Brentwood at the start off; an old place like a warehouse, dirty it was. Well I and about two others didn’t like laying over where they’d put us and I spent the night in a coal cart out in the open in the yard at Brentwood. We weren’t too dirty though, funny enough. In the morning we shoved down a bit of breakfast and were put in the train again and we went to Shoeburyness where there was a regular barracks for regular troops. The regular troops had gone to France of course, and we took over although we only went in tents. We didn’t go inside the barracks proper but put bell tents there; about 18 used to go in one tent. Half the time I was allocated to do a job of sentry guard which meant on the gate you had to interrogate anybody going in or out; they had to show a pass to go in and out. I was 17 years of age with a rifle on me shoulder; fixed bayonet of course.

From there we went to Norwich. We only stayed there a couple of days then we stopped at a cavalry barracks and we slept in stables there on the floor where the horses used to go. I mean, they didn’t have the accommodation, they put you where they could. There was a thousand men in a battalion, about four companies.

PCN:
What company were you in?

AAN:
I don’t know what company. There was A, B, C and D. We spent about a week or two in there until they found private billets and put us in private houses where they put the rations into [recording is indistinct at this point] … so we had to cook and sleep on the floor of course; there was nowhere to sleep otherwise. The floor and blanket; for a pillow you generally had a kit bag which was full of boots and equipment; nice and soft you know! All the time we were doing drills during the daytime of course, and going on parade and this went on for some time.

Then we went to Cambridge; private billets again. When I say private billets I mean people’s houses and they brought the food rations round for us. I don’t know how much they paid them for it; don’t suppose it was a lot of money but they used to cook the food and the daytime we did the parades.

Eventually we went to Harrogate, in tents again about half a mile out of town in fields. And from there we went to France.

PCN:
What year was this?

AAN:
Fifteen; 1915. In the meantime they asked those who’d volunteer for active service. They didn’t force them to go but they sent us to France, those that volunteered, and eventually there was a medal cast for us for those that volunteered for the new adventure [My italics - PCN. Recording is indistinct at this point]. We was in tents again when we got to Calais. We went from Folkestone. We got to Calais and we were put in tents again: bell tents. We never had anywhere to go so we just had tents for about a dozen of you. You used to put your rifles up against the pole and you used to put your foot to the pole all the way round there. If the weather was alright then it was alright. If it was bad it was bad.

When we were in France we had to go up at night time. The fireworks were going like a fireworks’ display; the bangs and the lights, all this firing of verey lights to see if there was anyone moving about. I thought it was quite fun to start, it was so new. I thought, well this alright; bang, bang, bang, lights going up just like a fireworks display. After about five minutes I realised what was happening, you know, that shells were coming over and bursting and I though they were a fireworks carry-on!

We did that [recording is indistinct at this point]… Arras, a place called Arras.

PCN:
That’s where you went then was it, first of all?

AAN:
We spent a lot of time at Arras. They had a big cave there. When you came out on rest (it was after about a week) you went back about four or five miles from the front line. You had front line, second line and third line. We were in there some time. When you come out of the trenches you had about a week… well the first time I had four days there. When I came back we was in farmhouses and sleeping in the loft. I lay down with my rifle and equipment on and fell asleep, after four days’ no sleep. You had a nap in the trenches of course, but no rest and nowhere to sit really, only on the floor if it was dry. We spent some time in Arras, a long time.

PCN:
Was this still in 1915?

AAN:
Yes. That’s the place where they sent the cavalry to try and get through. They had cavalry in those days. The cavalry got cut up and there was dead horses everywhere. When the shells used to burst you could smell them. They used to call it ‘Dead Horse Corner’. There was a notice up saying ‘Dead Horse Corner’ where the cavalry got it. You couldn’t do the cavalry because there were so many trenches.

They had this great big cave at Arras about five miles wide where we used to go down; two battalions used to go down there for a rest. Night time you had to go out and dig trenches, re-enforce trenches and repair trenches behind the line and make more defences. You didn’t have a rest, you still had drills.

I don’t know the name of it. Two battalions used to stop down there. They could have shelled it but they wouldn’t have hurt anybody.

We were kept backward and forwards at Arras for a long time. There was no movement only for various raids.

PCN:
Did you go on any raids?

AAN:
Yes. The planes used to take photographs of the ground so you knew where all the trenches and dug-outs were. We used to have a fifteen pound canister of explosives to drop down the dug-outs because if you shelled anybody they’d go down a dug-out quick.

One time this Canadian battery was shelling and was supposed to be shelling the German line but they shelled us. The shells were coming right into our trench so we did all we could to get down the dug-out. There were always two entrances and they blocked one entrance up so we all had to scamper out quick out of the other one in case that got blocked. If you got blocked in there you’d never get out again. There was no fortifications underneath, only floor. No concrete steps or anything, just dug-out. It went down about the depth of a house I should think. Sometimes there were a few posts sticking up, but that’s all you had. If a big shell come and hit on the top of the trench it used to blow the candles out because we had an issue of candles. We always carried what they called iron rations. That was bully beef, tea and sugar in a packet in case you couldn’t get any food out there. So we stuck that for ages up there, just sticking there, backwards and forwards.

There was one occasion when they said we’d got to try and see what the positions of the German troops in front were. They told us what time the barrage was going to start. They were firing to see what was returned: sort of, throw your shells into them and see what response you get. If there was a rotten lot of troops in front they’d be a bit weak sort of thing. Anyway, we started. The batteries opened out and we soon got shells into their line. And I’ve never seen such a bombardment as we got back. We had ten times what they got. We shelled them for about half an hour and we got it for about five hours, all night long. It was terrible, cut us up shocking. Of course, when they shelled you had to go down the dug-out, it was no good standing up there.

On another occasion we went to Passchendaele in Belgium. You can’t dig a trench there, it was all water-logged, bogged. Soon as you dug a hole it was full of water so you only had shell-holes there. There we had three battles in nine days, you’ll probably find it in records. Passchendaele, Passchendaele.

When you moved up the line they used to put a white tape down in the daytime otherwise you wouldn’t know where to go. So you had this white line of tape taped quite a long way back - probably a couple of miles - to get into the front line because you couldn’t see the enemy and we were marching along, one behind the other, following this line. Mind you, it was pitch black of a night, there’s no lights in the open fields. A bunch of us got cut off and missed the lot in front so we got stranded, about thirty of us. Of course, we went marching on and we went right past their lines on the railway line. We went past them, past the Germans. They didn’t know it.

It wasn’t trenches it was shell-holes. You was just stuck in a shell-hole. We were lucky really because we were cut off from the main battles, we was behind them you see. Now and again there was Germans used to be walking back with their hands up. One occasion, I was with a fella and a German was walking up, and the fella got his rifle and fired at him. And I knocked it down. I mean, you couldn’t shoot a prisoner like that. So I knocked his rifle down. He was going to shoot him, point blank.

Of course, shells were dropping all over and flying about, and we were there for some days. We couldn’t get rations up, there was now way you could get any food up. So when it was getting dark you used to crawl out of your shell-hole and look for bodies, turn ‘em over and see what they’d got in their packs. I’m not making this up. I used to crawl out and get water. You always had candles in your pack and you used to put water in your army can, water from the shell-holes. You couldn’t get water otherwise, there were no taps. Well, I used to get this water and after about two hours with three candles underneath you make yourself a cup of tea. Mind you, you was there all day so it didn’t matter. At the finish I went down there and it was getting light and the shell-hole I was crawling to and getting the water from there was a German in it, torn inside. All his insides hanging out and I was getting the water for making the tea! Mind you it was boiled so it probably didn’t matter. He was lying at the bottom of the shell-hole covered in water. Most of the water had green stuff on it.

You couldn’t dig a trench. When you dug a hole it was full of water. It was only shell-holes.

PCN:
Were you aware at the time what you had to attack and what the Army's plans were?

AAN:
Well at that place there were about thirty of us cut off behind the lines. You used to pass the word along; everything was passed by mouth. There was a saying once that you passed the word along, “The Colonel’s going to advance, send reinforcements” and they said when it got to the other end of the line it said, “The Colonel’s going to a dance, send three and fourpence.” That was a joke at the time. You had to pass the word along when you were in the trenches. If you wanted a message to go anywhere you couldn’t just get up and write a letter and pass it on, you used to pass the word along. If you were walking along it was, “Mind the ole”.” You always went in the trenches of a night time when it was dark, you couldn’t go at daytime.

In the meantime you’d got planes flying over. I used to fire at them but I never hit one. Planes used to be flying down repeatedly all day long while you were in the trenches. I used to fire my rifle at them but I never knocked them down. I saw plenty of them brought down in fights. Course, the air force those days wasn’t what we’ve got now; those quaint old things.

My brother Edgar used to do the rigging because half of it was made of wood. He could never get a flight because there wasn’t any planes down. Well one day he got a flight ‘cause nobody was there to go in it. He gets in with all the equipment on and goes up with this Major. They had the same ranks as in the Army in those days. Now they’ve got Flight Lieutenants and Squadron Leaders, they wasn’t known as those in those days. He went up in this flight and the man started stunting. I mean, those planes weren’t meant to stunt. He was going up and down, turning over, and he thought, “Well I won’t be long, I’ll soon be dead.” Cause he sees the sky up there one minute and down the next. Of course, the reason he got a flight was because the other blokes knew the pilot as the Mad Major and they used to run away when they saw him coming. If you repaired a plane you had to go up with the pilot to make sure that what you’d done was safe. Not mechanical, not the engine. He used to do the woodwork: struts, all out in the open really, not covered in like they are now. That was his first flight with the Mad Major. Of course, they all laughed when he came down but he didn’t think he ever would come down alive. He was twisting his plane around and they weren’t made for that. He was known as the Mad Major and that was his experience of his first flight.

PCN:
Did you see the mines go up on Messines Ridge?

AAN:
No, I never saw the mines. As I say, we got cut off ‘cause the man in front broke and didn’t keep up to them and we walked through a German line, a railway line. Of course, it was all smashed up but we must have gone miles because the Germans, when they did come out, were this side of us; they worked through this railway line. Being all pitch black I mean they wouldn’t know us.

PCN:
When you first went out to France you said you went to Arras. That was 1915 so were you there right through 1916 or did you move?

AAN:
I was at Arras for ages. Various times we used to be brought out. If they wanted reinforcements they used to send out but I can’t remember the names of the places.

PCN:
Did you not take part in the battle of the Somme because that was in 1916.

AAN:
No, I wasn’t on the Somme.

PCN:
Whereabouts did you have trench fever?

AAN:
That was on the last one… [recording is indistinct at this point]

PCN:
Was that before you were wounded?

AAN:
Yes, before I was wounded. I can’t remember where the place was, I think it was Arras, somewhere like that. Winter time it was, trenches full of water, duckboards were up. Somebody had dug a little cubby hole in the side of the trench and I lay in there. I couldn’t sleep. I lay there two days and I thought, I can’t stand this. If you were sick you’d go down the First Aid which was about a mile behind the line that you’d got to walk. When I got down there I met one of the colonels. The colonel was walking in the line with another officer who I met as I was going down there. I spoke to him but I can’t remember what he said, I was too ill really. Well I got down this First Aid place which was only a dug-out and there was a doctor there attending to someone with frozen feet. When feet were frozen they cut the toes away because they went bad, black. The stench was shocking because it was all bad flesh; it was all like congealed and the smell was shocking. I was in the Army with a fella who’d got all his toes off and they had to teach him to walk afterwards because you can’t walk without toes properly. Anyway, I got down there and after a while this doctor who was attending to the bloke with frozen feet came up to me and took my temperature. He must have asked me what the matter was and how I felt. He said, how did you get here? I said I walked. There was no other way to get there, you had to walk. He said, Good God man, called the orderly over and put me down on a stretcher right away, blankets on top. Night time they come and carry you over the top of the line because they couldn’t move you until dark. They carried me over the trenches and they marked me PUO: Patient Under Observation [No. Pyrexia of Unknown Origin - PCN]. From there I went to hospital. I had no food for about three days. It was given me but I didn’t want any. They used to sponge me don in the morning with cold water because it was supposed to get the temperature down but I learned afterwards they said it was through lice.

The lice were worse than the Germans, you was alive with them, absolutely. You never had a bath or anything and you couldn’t get a change of clothes. You were laying in dirt and living in dirt. Not in your head. I know we had short hair but they weren’t head lice they were body lice and you’d see fellas killing them, cracking them. I used to take me shirt off and hold it in a coke brazier, make ‘em all run. The lice were terrible though, shocking - lice and rats.

Rats were another thing. You had droves of rats, swarms. We used to put a bit of cheese on the end of a bayonet, stick it over the top and when the rats used to come, press the trigger. Of course, you never found them, it blew them to pieces.

PCN:
Wasn’t that [practice] banned by the Army later on?

AAN:
No, not to my knowledge anyway. We used to do that for a bit of fun in the daytime.

I was always in the front line unfortunately and on the front line you’d sometimes have to go in what they called a sap and there you couldn’t peek. You know, you could hear them talking, you could hear them guttering. You’d go there of a night and the first time I went in they said [to] be careful [and] be alert because they took the lot last night. They come over and took the lot of them, they come creeping over and got ‘em. Well anyway, I was there with a fella - there were only two of you - and they gave you a box of Mills bombs. You pulled the pin out and the lever flies back and starts it off, about twenty seconds’ timing. Well I was on with this fella and he kept falling down asleep. Of course, it put the wind up me so I used to kick him to wake him up; [kick him with those] big army boots! And I was there all night for about a week.

You couldn’t do anything at daytime so we used to prime these bombs. Little device with a wick on the end of it and when you struck it it started. You used to do it with your teeth. You had to put it in your mouth and bite it to ready the primer. Otherwise, when you got ‘em, they weren’t all primed. You had all the wicks and cords to prime it but that was separate, otherwise boxes of bombs would be going up in the air. When you threw it you had about twenty seconds before it went off. There were several cases where men threw themselves on them to save the lives of the others. Sixteen pounds they weighed, Mills bombs they were; each bomb weighed a pound. You threw them and [of] course, when you threw them you had to take the pin out to start it off and when you took the pin off: [sound of a loud clap], the spring on it started. We had a fella and he used to let it go off in his hand for two or three seconds before he threw it. Of course, when he threw it it immediately exploded so they couldn’t throw it back at you, but he got charged for doing that.

PCN:
Did you see many men punished? There was Field Punishment Number One wasn’t there?

AAN:
Oh yes, you seen tons of that. [When] you was going on a place, you was moving, you’d see a barracks or something like a shelter and there’d be a poster on there: “The following people were shot at dawn today…” You know it was posted up outside these places where they’d been done. I didn’t see any cowardice but I saw the notices where they’d been shot and the names. I don’t think they ever sent home and said they were shot. I think they said they were killed in battle. They never did that, they never told the truth.

PCN:
Because men were tied to wagon wheels as well weren’t they? Field Punishment Number One.

AAN:
I don’t know. I never saw any but I’ve read of cases. You had to do it, you’d have set everybody alight and frightened the others wouldn’t you? I never saw any cowardice but I’ve seen people shell-shocked when I was in hospital. They lose all sense of people. His sweetheart used to come up and his parents, and he didn’t know them. I’ve seen them absolutely gone.

PCN:
Was that when you got back home and went into hospital?

AAN:
Yes, I come back, I was a stretcher case. I think I went to Nottingham.

PCN:
What year was that, was that 1916?

AAN:
Or 17, it must have been getting towards the end.

PCN:
What, after Passchendaele?

AAN:
Oh, it was after Passchendaele.

PCN:
Because you went to the Beds after Passchendaele didn’t you?

AAN:
Yes. What we used to talk about in the trenches was food: “How’d you like a steak pudding now?”, you know, “All that gravy…” Cor!

PCN:
You used to have the food parcels come up didn’t you?

AAN:
I never had a food parcel in my life. My sisters had plenty of money but I don’t think they realised what it was like.

When I first went to France we was in this place and it was near a farmhouse. The chickens were there roosting and if a chicken was laying, one of the girls or one of the youngsters would stand by it till it had laid the egg because the troops would have pinched it you see. When you came out of the trenches, if you got near the old farmhouse about five mile behind the line, you could get egg and chips. That was a good buy. The chickens laid the eggs and they could grow the potatoes. You couldn’t buy any meat or anything like that.

PCN:
And there used to be white wine in the cafes.

AAN:
Yes, but I wasn’t interested in wine in those days and I didn’t smoke.

We came out of the line one day and they said, “Right, we’re going to do some shooting now, practice shooting.” Well to my amazement I was the crack shot of the regiment. I put six bullets in the same hole, sort of thing, so I was made into a sniper. This meant of a night time, creeping out just before it got dark and going over the barbed wire. Sometimes it was only a hundred yards away from the Germans. There was three of us: a sergeant, me and another fella and we used to crawl and pick ‘em off. You’d see their hats, their tin hats, and you knew if you got a bullseye because their hats flew off; their helmets rather. We used to fire a few and then get in quick ‘cause once you killed anybody out there they’d be after you pretty sharp. They couldn’t come after you but they could throw the bombs.

That’s another thing we used to do when we were in the trenches. When we came out of the line we didn’t have a rest. Of a night time we used to pick up and carry shells up to the front; not to the front line but the front. The transport couldn’t get up the line, the transport could only get three or four miles behind. You had to go up and meet the transport and they had pack ponies in those days. They used to do a lot of the carrying. They had motors but most of them were done by mules. They used to tie the ammunition on either side and you had to go up there and take it off and carry it up to where it was wanted.

The artillery were behind and my brother Wally, Walter, was with the Garrison Artillery - heavy artillery - and they were behind farther still and that weren’t so bad.

PCN:
Did you meet any of your brothers out there?

AAN:
No, but two of them did meet. That was Jack who was killed and your grandfather [Walter] but I never met any of them.

AAN:
I was wounded in the neck during our last advance… final assault. We could see them coming over and I could hear a machine gun on my side: rattle, rattle and I felt this whack. It was like someone hitting me with a sledgehammer, a terrific bang. It wasn’t big, it was only a bullet, but the force… You’d have thought it would just touch you and you wouldn’t feel it but I felt it. There was a fella next to me who’d got one in the neck and every time his heart beat the blood was pumping out. I couldn’t do anything for him.

I [went] down the line and the first thing I saw was a bloke with his leg off. It was all torn off, ripped off, all the bare flesh like, all jagged. He was laying on his stomach and he just turned around. When he heard my footsteps he just turned around and looked, he could hear someone coming. I couldn’t do anything for him. That was the sort of thing you had to put up with. First thing I saw when I got to France I mean was a pair of legs. Putties up to here, just the legs. You had to get used to it and didn’t take any notice.

I saw several lots being buried. They used to bury them out in the fields. They put a blanket round them and just buried them, no service or anything. It was nowhere near war graves or anything like that. You took no notice of it because you saw so much of it. I mean, you’d be in a trench and if they dropped a shell sometimes you’d find half a body or a leg or a foot sticking out, or arm. There was a cook and he used to go round the dead bodies and pull their mouths open to see if they’d got any gold teeth. Horrible weren’t it? Just shows you how callous you can get, and he was a cook! I’ve turned the bodies over to see what they’ve got on them to eat. Mind you, you were out in the open and you were really hungry, and being young, you know…

You only carried biscuits about and I sent one of the biscuits home once when I was in England. They were so hard. I put a stamp on it and it got home.

PCN:
After you were wounded did you then go back to England again?

AAN:
I went to England because I was a stretcher case again. When I got to the First Aid Post mind you, there was a queue just like a queue at a food shop, you know lining up for bread or something. Some of them were dropping down because they’d got bad wounds and were bleeding badly but you had to [get] in the queue to get dressed. Out in the open there wasn’t no hospital or anything but I didn’t trouble about this, it wasn’t bleeding too much. I might have it still in my body, I don’t know, they never x-rayed me. Must have been a bullet but it was a terrific whack.

PCN:
How long did you spend in England?

AAN:
Only a matter of a few weeks, two or three weeks that’s all, then I went back again.

PCN:
What rank were you at this stage?

AAN:
I was corporal I think and I went back again as Sergeant Instructor.

PCN:
So when were you made up into corporal, was that about 1917?

AAN:
Something like that I suppose it was.

PCN:
I suppose that was because you were more experienced.

AAN:
Oh yes, I knew all the tricks of the trade, well I’d had five years of it.

PCN:
Did you ever play Crown & Anchor?

AAN:
No, but going over on the boat we played Housey Housey. Course, we had five pounds mind you, you got five gold sovereigns when you were called up. It was alright when you was in England, you didn’t want for anything much. I know I used to buy dates for three ha’pence a pound.

When I got back I was training and bringing up the youngsters then. The war was finished and we were part of the Army of Occupation. The [German] factories were being dismantled and we were on guard there. I was marching the troops through a factory once in Germany and felt this pulling on me. I thought, well what’s that, and it was a crane with a magnet attached which was picking up the shell cases. It was actually pulling me, I could feel it.

PCN:
You were saying you went to hospital with your knee, was that another time?

AAN:
That was in England, I didn’t go to France with that.

Anne:
The Armistice was in November 1918, did you stay out there quite a time after that into 1919?

AAN:
Oh yes, quite a time, I don’t know when the Peace was signed.

PCN:
… Passchendaele then. You had about 300 men left out of the battalion and so then you went to another regiment.

AAN:
That’s right, Bedfordshire, can’t remember what number it was. On my medals though, it’s got my name on it as Private in the Essex Regiment whereas I was a Sergeant Instructor.

PCN:
Did you go with the Bedfordshires right from 1917 until the end then or did you go back to the Essex?

AAN:
No, it was after the war was finished when I went back again. I was bringing up young officers. They had to be taught, same as the Army, and I used to shout at them just the same as the troops. In Germany it was a crime to talk to the people. If you were caught, the police would be after you although we used to talk to the girls. But if there were any police about you’d be for it.

They used to call you out in the middle of the night. You’d be back in your billets, wherever you were, and about two o’clock in the morning the alarm went and you’d got to get up and dress in the full marching order. Then you’d go for a march of about two miles and then back again. There was no rest; it was in case of an emergency should the war start again. But in Germany it was a fine life. I was a sergeant and I was waited on in the Sergeants’ Mess and had two batmen to make my bed and polish my buttons if I wanted them.

PCN:
Do you remember where it was in Germany?

AAN:
Bonn. There was sport in the morning and education. I used to take classes although an officer was supposed to. He asked me to take over though and I had six of them who couldn’t read or write: youngsters, eighteen years of age. I used to march them up and down and curse them. I said, you want to be taught English before you learn German.

PCN:
Did you ever shout out to the Germans when you were in the trenches?

AAN:
No, that was in the beginning in 1914. Never took the chance to stand up and call them either [laughs].

PCN:
Mind you, you could hear them couldn’t you?

AAN:
Hear them, yes. Couldn’t understand what they were saying, specially when you were in a sap, little bits jutting out, getting nearer, little bit nearer. The worst time was when I was on a patrol. That was near the end too because they sensed the Germans were going to get desperate and I was sent out on a patrol. That means going out when it’s dark, go out along the trench for about a mile. “Patrol going out”, password is so and so so they didn’t shoot you because otherwise you could have been coming back again and they’d get frightened and panicky and bang! So we crawled out and took two Mills bombs. We didn’t have a rifle because you can’t crawl with it. All you’d got was Mills bombs, one in each pocket, all ready to throw. You crawled and you crawled on all fours and it was a bit weird because sometimes you came across a body and didn’t know if he was alive or dead. You’re between the two lines then. You go through your own wires and there’s only a hundred yards between the two wires. You had to watch to see if there were any signs of the wire being cut because if they were going to come at you they’d cut the wire. Of course, the barbed wire was all along and it was thick. You couldn’t just shove over it, it was too wide and high and it was only put out there when it was dark.

Anyway, we gets between the wires and we’re creeping along - about three or four yards from each other, looking and listening - when they must have spotted us. A fella who’d only been out about a month got up to run and get to another hole and of course, he got shot. He was killed. That left us two and we got in a scamper because we didn’t know which was our line and which was the other line. There’s not a pure white line I mean the trouble is, which way are we going? This fella said, this way but I was right close to the wire and I could see it had a big sprong. Ours was a shorter wire so I thought, I’m near the German wire. The other chap would have gone in the German lines but I remembered that their wire had bigger prongs. The Germans was big prongs, ours was shorter. Anyway, I was right. Anyway, we got back and said so and so’s out there, so they sent out another patrol to fetch him in. We didn’t know where he was. We heard the machine guns going on him but while you were lying down, often in a shell-hole, you couldn’t move because they’d have seen you move. They fired lights up, verey lights; fired them like a pistol and it lights the sky for a little while so you can see, and we daren’t move because that would have given the game away, and there’s bullets flying around you. Eventually we got in anyway. It was only a couple of days after that that the war started to finish. Our people must have known because patrols went out every night. You’d have a raid and get some prisoners just to see what they’re like and the condition of them. Are they young, are they old, are they well fed?

PCN:
Did you go on many raids? [second time I asked this question! - PCN]

AAN:
Only about three or four. We used to black ourselves up but we was black already, it was a thing you got so used to. Sometimes you’d get downhearted but it was something you got used to. It was worse when you came out of the line. You had to dig trenches in the dark and they’d give you so much to dig an’ all. There was no larking about either. You had to dig a six foot trench in about four or five hours. You’d got the front line, the reserve line and another line behind that, all depends what they’re like. You never had a rest.

We had a rum ration and that used to save your life. After you’d been out all night, your hands would be blue and your rifle covered in frost. Then the rum used to come round and you’d be able to move again. Of course, some of them wouldn’t take it. Several died because they had too much rum and lay down and froze to death. You couldn’t give it to nobody else but if a fella didn’t drink, he’d give it to his mates. It was raw stuff, no dilution about it. The officer or sergeant used to come round with it in the morning before it got light and dish it up straight from the jar.

You imagine it out in that frost. Sometimes there’d be a week of rain and all you ‘d have was a rubber sheet to keep you dry. There wasn’t any dug-outs in the front line. Sometimes they used to light a fire down these dug-outs and the smoke used to choke you nearly. Mind you, some of the weather was bad; ’16[/17] was bad. We had to dig trenches in that and our pick axes would fly up because they couldn’t get into the ground; it was too hard.

I know I was going round with an officer in the trenches on a tour of them to see what they were like and a fella slipped into the water. I’ve never heard so much foul language in all my life. I think he knew every swear word there was and he let rip too. I said, are you done? Because the officer was there. He stepped to one side to let us walk by because there’s not much room on a duck-board. Under these duck-boards was about two foot of water and in the latter part of the war you had to put whale oil on. They thought it was more important about the whale oil than it was about any food. Clean socks used to come up from the transport and we were supposed to rub this whale oil into each others’ feet. It was a crime if you got trench feet but this stuff smelt terrible. I don’t think I did it ‘bout more than twice.

PCN:
Did you have the waders?

AAN:
No, never had any waders.

PCN:
Did you come up against any gas attacks?

AAN:
No. In the trenches you used to have a shell case hanging up and you hit it in case of any gas attack but we never had any. We had the masks on several times but in those days they weren’t like you’ve got today. They used to call them P helmets. It was only a bit of rag with a little rubber tube on it. You used to twist it round and stick it down your neck but it wasn’t a proper gas mask. It smelt of carbolic and they used to make you play football in them. You couldn’t breathe in them and you couldn’t fight in them really either because you couldn’t see properly.

When they started with this mustard gas they had a dug-out in the training areas to test the troops and prepare them for an attack. They take you down there and put your gas mask on and then switch this gas on just to show you what it was like.

Then they had tear gas which blinded you. It wasn’t poisonous, you couldn’t open your eyes. They used to take us down in there and then make you take your gas mask off. It didn’t hurt the eyes but you couldn’t open them. It was shocking stuff.

PCN:
Wasn’t that the one that smelt like pear drops?

AAN:
Yes, something like that. But I’m sure a lot of the chaps put a bullet through themselves. I know this fella did who I knew and he was a nice chap. We was on rest and we were going up the line to dig; generally there was always someone got shot because we were close to the front line. He said to me, if anything happens to me tonight you can have what’s in my kit. He never came back and I’m pretty sure he shot himself though I didn’t say so at the time.

PCN:
You said a shell landed near you didn’t you, a dud.

AAN:
Oh that was a good one that was. I was all alone in the trench and the shells were going over. You didn’t bother unless you heard them coming, whizzing near your ear and then you ducked automatically. I heard a thud and thought, blow me. About a foot away and about stomach height a shell had landed and stuck in the trench wall next to me. It never went off.

They reckoned on three tons of shells to kill one man. That was reckoned the number of shells, the waste of shells was thrown over during that war was three ton of shells to kill a man. I mean, a lot of them were killed by bullets, but it took that much. Of course, if you go over the top there’s shells all over the place.

PCN:
What’s it like advancing under all that then?

AAN:
Well, you’d have a creeping barrage where they’re gradually moving forward all the time so that you’re being protected providing they’ve got the range properly.

PCN:
You had quite a lot of equipment to carry as well didn’t you? Quite heavy wasn’t it?

AAN:
Full marching order was 120 pounds. That included about 100 rounds of ammunition. That wasn’t battle order. If you were having a raid they’d take off your identity discs because they said what regiment you were and what number. If you were in a raid you had to take them off. You mustn’t have anything on you in case the Germans caught you.

I was on a demonstration out there with all the big heads. I spoke to Robertson who was one of the chief Generals there. We was on parade once and he come up and spoke to me. Sometimes you’d have the big Generals come up and inspect you when you were behind the lines. Robertson was second in command of the whole lot. Being a sergeant I was in front of the others but I can’t remember what he said.

On another occasion I had a lot of Generals come up. The trouble was getting stuff into the trenches you see and they had a big square arrangement which you put the stuff on and could carry half a ton on your back. You had a stick to walk with. It was like a big square with hooks on it to hook petrol, bombs and what have you. It was supposed to be good enough for half a ton and you had a stick because you had to lean forward a little. But they never used them, you couldn’t hardly move. I gave the demonstration. They loaded me up but you couldn’t manage with it because in the trench you could only walk sideways with that on.

Well then they brought out soup[1] in like vacuum flasks with screw lids. It was Simonson’s soup; it was only water, like pea soup. You walked round the trench with these flasks on your back and I got fed up of keep screwing and unscrewing the lid. You had to walk a long way when you were seeing to a battalion. Well, I got fed up with these big screws, it didn’t half weigh something, whacking great cannister on the back of you. I thought, well I’ll just put the lid on there, and I wandered round dishing out this hot soup. All of a sudden a shell come over, wheeeeeeeee eeeup! Of course, I ducked and the soup went all over me. Half the soup went over me and I’d got to feed them with it. I was giving them a little tiny drop, a spoonful, “What do you call this?” with a few fine words in it, “What’s that?” I was all sticky down my neck with this Simonson’s soup. Well, naturally you ducked when you heard a shell but I shall never forget that. I only did it once. When they asked me why I was only dishing up a couple of spoonfuls I said, well you can have a lick of my shoulder. It was a funny thing.

[1] From, The War The Infantry New by Captain J C Dunn, Page 176

“Another innovation about this time [January 1916] was soup for issue during the night, sent up in thermos containers. It suited the New Armies but the Old Soldiers and the Drafts who adopted their ways denounced it blasphemously. The Old Soldier liked to cook and eat what he saved of his ration in his own way and time; he resented the diversion of any of it to this communal cooking, and he feared that broth might be substituted for rum; besides, to fetch it was another fatigue. (Soup was not issued during the next two winters.)